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Rushin Roulette · Dec 19, 2010, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Another drop for the list Luny.

9-13 Damage no requ. inscribable Hammer

Came from an Istani Chest while farming for Nicks items in Mehtani Keys.

LicensedLuny · Dec 20, 2010, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Update log:

List updated up to and including post 269, page 14, Dec. 14, 2010.
List updated up to and including post 281, page 15, Dec. 20, 2010.

Req. 0 Sword:
- Inscribable Sources: 6-9 (claim by Davros Uitar)
- Inscribable Sources: 7-10 (pic from ubikuo)
Req. 0 Hammer:
- Inscribable Sources: 7-11 (pic from Showtime)
- Inscribable Sources: 9-13 (pic from Gondrakif)
  Sorry Rushin Roulette, but Gondrakif had posted one two days before. I hadn't updated the OP list yet.
Req. 6 Bow:
- Inscribable Sources: 13-23 (pic from LicensedLuny)
- Inscribable Sources: 13-24 (pic from Bright Star Shine)
Req. 4 Daggers:
- Inscribable Sources: 5-10 (pic from Red Fireball)
- Inscribable Sources: 6-11 (pic from End)
Req. 7 Scythe:
- Inscribable Sources:
  - 10-35 (pic from Dzjudz)
  - 9-36 (pic from fallenangel)
  - 9-37 (pic from LicensedLuny)
Req. 2 Scythe:
- Inscribable Sources: 7-15 (claim by Dzjudz)
- Inscribable Sources: 9-18 (pic from Ultimadiorifiamma)
Req. 6 Wand:
- Inscribable Sources:
- Inscribable Sources: 10-18 (pic from Ultimadiorifiamma)

LifeInfusion · Dec 24, 2010, 09:24 PM // 21:24

req6 bow, I don't know if it is of use to you. Got it while helping someone with Charr broiled plans. I merched it since it is a shortbow.

Istan:

Also, my personal log from 2 years ago: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...on/Istan_drops

Bright Star Shine · Dec 26, 2010, 05:32 PM // 17:32

I quickly read through your log over there, and no, q7 max inscr foci don't exist.. They do exist non-inscr and there are only a few known.. q8 max foci drop a lot though (go do DoASC and you'll see at least 1-2 drop every run, blue or white, and blue's got the chance of havign isncr slot)

LicensedLuny · Dec 26, 2010, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I've seen AMAZING things offered for sale in Kamadan, too. Invariably, the seller either refuses to show it in trade or shows something which does not match what he was advertising. Most recently, someone was offering to sell an r8 max inscribable hammer. I asked to see it, all ready to take a record-breaking picture for this thread. It wasn't inscribable. There are still quite a few people in game who honestly don't seem to know the difference between inscribable and inherent gear ... and some who misunderstand "max," too. Not everyone reads wikis and/or Guru. That's another reason I like having picture examples here whenever possible.

So far on this thread we're only looking for the maximum stats for each req. I've thought about trying to add minimum stats by req., too. I'm not sure if there are enough people interested in such a thing, though. Since we're on the subject anyway ...

Question to the folks helping with this thread - Would you be interested in and willing to help find the other end of the spectrum for drops here, too? We've been tracking only the highest damage, armor and/or energy for a given req. and, theoretically, finding the game code's upper limits. Should we track the lowest damage, armor, and/or energy, too, and look for the lower limits? Does anyone care?

It would require changing the thread title and reformatting the OP a fair bit. I'm willing to try setting that up if there's significant interest and willingness to find the other limit.

Jumping Is Uselss · Dec 27, 2010, 12:06 AM // 00:06

I was cleaning up my mules when I rediscovered my old magmas shield that I got in Hell's Precipice back in '06.

LifeInfusion · Dec 27, 2010, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

I quickly read through your log over there, and no, q7 max inscr foci don't exist.. They do exist non-inscr and there are only a few known.. q8 max foci drop a lot though (go do DoASC and you'll see at least 1-2 drop every run, blue or white, and blue's got the chance of havign isncr slot)

Maybe the person selling it was lying then.

Everything on that page was found by me though. And there isn't any reason I would lie about it because if it was extraordinary I would be using it or selling it on guru.

CE Devilman · Dec 27, 2010, 03:00 AM // 03:00

insc slot to.

Donnie Yen · Dec 27, 2010, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Bright Star Shine · Dec 30, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

Question to the folks helping with this thread - Would you be interested in and willing to help find the other end of the spectrum for drops here, too? We've been tracking only the highest damage, armor and/or energy for a given req. and, theoretically, finding the game code's upper limits. Should we track the lowest damage, armor, and/or energy, too, and look for the lower limits? Does anyone care?

It would require changing the thread title and reformatting the OP a fair bit. I'm willing to try setting that up if there's significant interest and willingness to find the other limit.

I've been wondering the same thing actually, what's the absolute minimum you can have with a certain req... But that's a very tough one to research I think... I guess I could provide you with stuff from DoA, and stuff will be dropping there, so.. But it's a lot of effort in making an entire new thread, if you want to, i'd be happy to contribute though...

Btw, on the q7 inscr swords, i'm pretty sure i've seen a 14-21 drop in DoA, but could be mistaking.. Don't take this as a claim, I'll try to find one

my new mission xD

Red Fireball · Jan 01, 2011, 05:05 PM // 17:05

got a q7 18/10/11-20 fire staff today (in Prophecies) - sry for german screen, unfortunately had merched, when I realised, sry.

LicensedLuny · Jan 02, 2011, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Update log:

List updated up to and including post 281, page 15, Dec. 20, 2010.
List updated up to and including post 291, page 15, Jan. 2, 2011.

Req. 7 Staff:
- Inherent Sources:
  - 16/10/11-20 (pic from Yawgmoth)
  - 18/9/10-18 (pic from calou)
- Inherent Sources: 18/10/11-20 (pic from Red Fireball)

Nothing else which has been posted sets a new record from what was already listed in the OP.

As for the min. stats by req., there doesn't really seem to be sufficient interest to justify setting this up to track those minimum limits. :/ I appreciate the offer to help with it, though, Bright!

Cheers & Happy New Year to all!

Bright Star Shine · Jan 02, 2011, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

As for the min. stats by req., there doesn't really seem to be sufficient interest to justify setting this up to track those minimum limits. :/ I appreciate the offer to help with it, though, Bright!

Cheers & Happy New Year to all!

Well, the only reason I'm interested is because of some weird brain spin of mine

I think most people can't be bothered because there is absolutely no reason in knowing. It WOULD help us understand game mechanics and drops better, but it's a lot of work to be done, and most people don't care..

Happy new year to you too Luny^^

Yawgmoth · Jan 02, 2011, 05:05 PM // 17:05

As for searching for minimum possible stats for each req, there's practically no use for that information even for someone trying to better understand the GW drop generation system (I have collected some that kind of data too but they weren't anywhere as useful in formulating any theories as other sets of data on way-off max drops).

Also they would really need a separate thread just because they'd create incredible amount of useless posts and a make this thread a complete mess. People would post items FAAAAR higher than the possible minimums as most don't realise how low the stats can actually be.

Hint: The worst stats for given req's are really MUCH worse than almost everyone thinks they are! In fact you can find weapons with same or even lower stats than best for zero req that will have a req as high as 6!
Charr in Presearing can drop as high as req8's and I think even req.9 (not 100% sure on this) and you can be sure they will be the absolute worst possible req8/9's.

It however gets more interesting with the highest req's - the lowest req.12s will be actually really high and lowest req.13s are really exceptionally hard to find - req13 almost doesn't appear outside of purples/golds and those are max or 1-off when req13 (except purple staves which just work differently)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Fireball

got a q7 18/10/11-20 fire staff today (in Prophecies) - sry for german screen, unfortunately had merched, when I realised, sry.

Awesome staff there! Great shame you didn't screenshot it while still assigned to you as we won't get stats this high anytime soon or maybe never more at all.

Red Fireball · Jan 02, 2011, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Awesome staff there! Great shame you didn't screenshot it while still assigned to you as we won't get stats this high anytime soon or maybe never more at all.

Oh I did, cause I thought this was quite nice!
also german tho, sry

and for presearing drops: yes, q9 is definitely possible there.
furthermore I got the theory, that for a certain req x the lowest DMG is maximum of x-6, means go 6 reqs down and check for max DMG there.
Don´t have any proof for this theory tho^^

novawhiz · Jan 02, 2011, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jumping Is Uselss

I was cleaning up my mules when I rediscovered my old magmas shield that I got in Hell's Precipice back in '06.

bah glanced at that and thought it was inscr for a second lol.

The Mountain · Jan 02, 2011, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Not much of an addition, but you can update the number from insc sources.

Yawgmoth · Jan 02, 2011, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Fireball

Oh I did, cause I thought this was quite nice!
also german tho, sry

and for presearing drops: yes, q9 is definitely possible there.
furthermore I got the theory, that for a certain req x the lowest DMG is maximum of x-6, means go 6 reqs down and check for max DMG there.
Don´t have any proof for this theory tho^^

Thanks for the screenshot, great staff indeed. It strongly supports the theory that staffs' 3 base stats are generated independantly of each other. Now to disprove it we need to find one Req.7 staff with HSR 19% (any dmg / any energy). If 19% HSR is possible on a req.7 then it should be easier to find than finding another such rarity as that 18/10/11-20.

And your theory of x-6 req is a pretty good approximation of what the lowest dmg ranges for given reqs are. It's not perfect but more accurate than x-5 or x-7 and so practically there won't be a better simple theory for that. Just have to add that for the req1-6 the minimum stats are the same or very close to the same.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 03, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain

Not much of an addition, but you can update the number from insc sources.

LOL I just came on here to post the exact same stats xD Well, here is a backup screenie if you want

Only difference, mine dropped in HM^^ Had to black out a lot of names though

Bright Star Shine · Jan 04, 2011, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Extra, found this too, in DoA just now, it's an addition to the staff I posted earlier, only this one is max in the sense that a blue staff couldn't be higher.. Ironically it's the exact same skin^^

I know it isn't an addition to the list, but thought it was worth posting